The excel spreadsheet of ONS data from Europe is really detailed. Like REAAAALLLY detailed. I have been going through the multiple tables of data and discovered some interesting trends. One factoid about this data: they start with age groups that lump 3 decades into the 10-39 age group, but all other categories are in 10 year spans like 40-49, 50-59, etc. Chunking 10-39 into the same group is rather suspect. But it is what it is. We work with what data we can get. Who saw more all cause deaths? Vaccinated or unvaccinated people?? How many died from covid while fully vaccinated? The numbers may surprise you!
We need to have the real numbers of vaccinated versus the faux number of counting from post two weeks because as El Gato pointed out long ago, it's a data crime to not count properly and it certainly skews the results.
I have a protagonist on Twit-er who I know would immediately point out that the percentage of not vs pricked will show that they are better off being jabbed as in most places it's low percent of not vs high percent of jabbed, therefore the differences shrink, particularly in the 40+ & 50+ groups.
Having said that I also know that some Euro countries are very low vaxxed and that would be interesting to pull out of the numbers.
I agree. The data gathering has its own shortfalls. Example: the article i posted the other day, about C suite and physicians potentially getting fake Covid vax cards, did physicians with a vax card REALLLY get vaxxed or not? In data sets they will be called vaccinated more likely than non vaccinated as their fake card has to be a lie perpetuated going forward to keep the lie congruent. Now that’s a small sample hopefully. I do know of other mandate vax industries that offered their employees the same option. Card says they are vaxxed but they really aren’t. Another example supporting your assertion of do we really know the “true” numbers.
I still go back to “what has the Covid vaccine done that is positive” for the population as a whole. If I had s crystal ball and could see the entire year of 2021 with no vaccines versus having a vaccine, would the landscape still look the same regarding all cause death and Covid death? Would it be the same, worse, or better? I think we also have to look at the inflated Covid death numbers in 2020 to realize a lot of deaths labeled Covid were not Covid. I anecdotally have 2 personal contacts that had a loved one die of nothing Covid related long term illness and their death certs said Covid. One hired an attorney to have it changed because they knew it was untrue and they got it reversed.
I enjoy your thoughts and perspectives! Thank you for sharing and engaging!
We need to have the real numbers of vaccinated versus the faux number of counting from post two weeks because as El Gato pointed out long ago, it's a data crime to not count properly and it certainly skews the results.
I have a protagonist on Twit-er who I know would immediately point out that the percentage of not vs pricked will show that they are better off being jabbed as in most places it's low percent of not vs high percent of jabbed, therefore the differences shrink, particularly in the 40+ & 50+ groups.
Having said that I also know that some Euro countries are very low vaxxed and that would be interesting to pull out of the numbers.
I agree. The data gathering has its own shortfalls. Example: the article i posted the other day, about C suite and physicians potentially getting fake Covid vax cards, did physicians with a vax card REALLLY get vaxxed or not? In data sets they will be called vaccinated more likely than non vaccinated as their fake card has to be a lie perpetuated going forward to keep the lie congruent. Now that’s a small sample hopefully. I do know of other mandate vax industries that offered their employees the same option. Card says they are vaxxed but they really aren’t. Another example supporting your assertion of do we really know the “true” numbers.
I still go back to “what has the Covid vaccine done that is positive” for the population as a whole. If I had s crystal ball and could see the entire year of 2021 with no vaccines versus having a vaccine, would the landscape still look the same regarding all cause death and Covid death? Would it be the same, worse, or better? I think we also have to look at the inflated Covid death numbers in 2020 to realize a lot of deaths labeled Covid were not Covid. I anecdotally have 2 personal contacts that had a loved one die of nothing Covid related long term illness and their death certs said Covid. One hired an attorney to have it changed because they knew it was untrue and they got it reversed.
I enjoy your thoughts and perspectives! Thank you for sharing and engaging!