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Duct Tape's avatar

The saga of Big Tobacco vs Vaping is an example of one of my favorite rants in action. Politicians have only one thing to sell: an unfair competitive advantage to the highest bidder. Big Tobacco Companies are notorious, unrepentant lobbyists of Congress. Many members of Congress owe their lavish lifestyle to Big Tobacco. Is it any surprise that Big Tobacco Protection Acts (laws against vaping) were passed?

I remember one of my friends in the Air Force (a dedicated smoker) decided to quit. Smoking had just been banned in all Air Force vehicles and we were crew members. The Flight Veterinarian prescribed patches for my friend. A week or two into his withdrawal I asked how it was going. He said it was very rough and the patches didn’t seem to help. Then he showed me a box of the patches. They were made by a subsidiary of RJ Reynolds. We theorized that they were designed to fail. He eventually quit.

They want us dead.

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BetterOffRed's avatar

No. They want us sick enough to need MORE.

and who will give us everything (and nothing)?

Our oh so accommodating gubmint.

You WILL own nothing (not even your bod) and you will be happy!

Oh joy and rapture!

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Duct Tape's avatar

I know your “Own nothing and be happy” thing is purest sarcasm. I am seriously bothered that some actually believe such nonsense. The world has finite resources. All creatures are hardwired to compete for those resources at some level. (Don’t give me any insect colony or symbiosis examples. They just prove my point.) The compulsion to compete is the survival instinct. I’m of the belief that it is NOT in our best interests to breed the survival instinct out of humans. The species will not last long. Those who advocate eliminating the survival instinct want us dead.

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BetterOffRed's avatar

Those of us willing to forego their 'conveniences' are hardy survivors. Wish I'd bred some!

My step kids/gkids are all-in on the nonsense. Those who color inside the lines are missing the big picture of the eat-or-be-eaten rules.

You're so right: they want us dead (or compliant and dead after usefulness to the perpetuation is done).

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Duct Tape's avatar

Back to the Good Old Days where everyone who was not an aristocrat was toothless and dead by 30. This whole push is nothing more than an effort to return to the Divine Right of Kings. That means they want us to be serfs with no rights. No wonder they hate the USA so much. And they do want us dead.

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babloo's avatar

Nicotine is good but smoking and vaping are both bad for your health people.

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Kate's avatar

Agree about dangers of smoking and vaping. I begged my mother (who was a nurse) in 1960s to quit smoking when it came out about the dangers of smoking. She did not listen and in 1998 i took care of her while she was dying of lung cancer and COPD. I am not sure why anyone would want to draw smoke or anything into their lungs. It is bad enough that i lived in a thick haze of second hand smoke as a kid.

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babloo's avatar

I did both. One affects lungs and the other inflamed my GI tract. I feel you. Hope you are doing well now.

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Daniel Mordue's avatar

Did you READ the whole article by Jennifer Brown? She points out that studies did show tobacco smoking is bad, but vaping ISN'T. I, too, came to believe vaping is bad because the local news even claims it is. If the local news says it, it must be true, right?

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Kate's avatar

Yes i read the whole article. No reason to be nasty about it.

I have grown skeptical in my old age.

I am just to the point that i dont believe anything that the “experts” or studies say.

If someone wants to vape that is fine with me.

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MDJD's avatar
Apr 8Edited

It is wise to be skeptical. Even if vaping is better than smoking, nicotine is still a drug and has side effects. Vaping can irritate the airways and may inflame lung tissue. Nicotine is a stimulant that can raise heart rate and blood pressure which could increase cardiovascular problems. It's fine for people to balance risks and benefits when deciding whether to vape nicotine, but it's not a risk-free drug.

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pimaCanyon's avatar

I remember near the beginning of covid, the twitter user @veryvirology posted about nicotine and covid. He was saying the same thing you're saying about nicotine blocking spike from attaching to our cells. I wonder whether we have data that compares the percentage of nicotine users who got sick with covid versus the percentage of those who don't use nicotine who got covid. The data should show that nicotine is protective against covid.

I believe that nicotine can be converted to nicotinic acid in the body. Nicotinic acid is vitamin B3. They renamed Vitamin B3 to Niacin instead of calling it by its real name, nicotinic acid. Wonder why they did that?

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pimaCanyon's avatar

I also wonder why nicotine isn't on the list of substances that are protective against covid as shown here: https://c19early.org/

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Fred Carpenter's avatar

Really? Did not know this either. Anything to drive us to psychotropic drugs instead of more of what our body needs naturally.

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Kathy McCorkel's avatar

Thanks for illuminating the Nicotine topic. Best Regards

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Eric's avatar

These articles about nicotine fail to mention the 134 ingredients in Marlboro cigarettes including the highly addictive pyrazines. Just Google "Philip Morris ingredients." It is a fallacy to consider cigarettes as nicotine delivery systems instead of death and addiction delivery systems. Use Zyn or smoke premium cigars for all your nicotine needs.

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Alice's avatar

Remember when they had a media circus of stories about vaping and young people needing lung transplants? It went on for months, much like all the propaganda covid BS, and then all the sudden the story was Juul coughed up a bunch of money in a settlment and no one cared or reported on all the so called lung transplants anymore. I would probably use a clean patch delivery system myself to avoid a bunch of chemicals but it was interesting that everyone suspected covid would decimate the homeless but being smokers they barely seemed to have an issue with it.

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David Harding's avatar

So, if the nicotine patch has positive results… which manufacturers are not controlled by big tobacco and what dosage would you recommend?

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Fred Carpenter's avatar

Yes, I would like to know that too?

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Daniel Mordue's avatar

This is a very interesting article you wrote, Jennifer. I saw a podcast online a year ago; it may have been this Dr. Ardis, who did at least an hour-long podcast on COVID and nicotine and how it prevents COVID by eating your vegetables!! A thing regarding vaping: if vaping is so bad, but if studies show it isn't bad, why does even our local news tell us it is bad? Why would the morning, noon, and evening local news lie about vaping? Vaping was originally intended, like the patches, to get folks to quit smoking. The then-new products didn't have nicotine, but other things were put in the products. These things soon were being called "e-cigarerettes" as if they were electronic devices. The vaping material itself soon became addictive. Vaping presents a too-sweet, thick, sick smell with a thick and rich smoke that is nauseating when you are exposed to it. As bad as cigarettes, cigars, and pipes are, vaping is even worse smelling, and it's very rich and sweet, TOO sweet. I can't stand to be near anyone vaping. If it's good news that vaping doesn't cause the health issues seen in cigarette patients, that's all good, but that doesn't mean I like people vaping; I don't like them vaping. It may not be bad, but I don't consider it cool; I would stay away from those vaping.

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Sam's avatar

Interesting:

‘ mimics the action of an antidepressant or anti-anxiety medication.’

That could be why every time I tried to go cold turkey and quit I would have severe psychological reactions. I finally quit by using a hypnosis tape by Max Kirsten and I was able to walk away from it with no side effects. I started listening to it before I set a quit date and my cravings went down.

Thanks for this.

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KimD's avatar

You realize the author of that article is the executive director of vape manufacturers? Not saying what she states is true or false but it seems like a conflict of interest.

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BetterOffRed's avatar

Fascinating!

While watching a Tucker C production, i noticed he endorced and earned ad revenue from a nicotine product, an inside-the-mouth pad in a pocket can (forgot the brand and term).

Is oral cancer a risk?

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Elaine Russky's avatar

What's worse, nicotine or sugar? Nicotine or alcohol? The bans on certain products, where others are allowed, is so inconsistent that I'm not surprised people are skeptical or confused. We ban the bad stuff unless paid to leave it alone.

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Fred Carpenter's avatar

I first learned from RFKs book that they were lying when they demonized Iver & hydroxy and kept them from scripting during CV scam, as RFK said in his book that HHS had actually done the research on the positive effects of these 2 more than 15 years ago; but they buried it and lied to us...these people should be locked up for that alone much less for all the people that have died and and are injured. 🙃

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Fred Carpenter's avatar

Thank you for your thoughts, great insight. I'm 70, and need to launch into this nicotine idea to feel better. I'll check out the links on Dr Humphrie's and Ardis, I respect them both, highly!

Do you suggest a 7 mg patch to start.

Thank you!

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Sam's avatar

Interesting:

‘ mimics the action of an antidepressant or anti-anxiety medication.’

That could be why every time I tried to go cold turkey and quit I would have severe psychological reactions. I finally quit by using a hypnosis tape by Max Kirsten and I was able to walk away from it with no side effects. I started listening to it before I set a quit date and my cravings went down.

Thanks for this.

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PDG's avatar

Nicotine products like the patch are being used today to treat neuro disorders such as Parkinsons, which has become an epidemic due to the vaccines. However, you will not get any doctor to publicly admit this. Why? Because of the demonization you mentioned.

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