"As Igor said very well: What the study shows is not exactly that “Long Covid does not exist.” Instead, it demonstrates that other similar illnesses, such as the flu, can also bring on undesirable long-term reductions in well-being — to an even greater share of sufferers. The article, sadly, does NOT account for the vaccination status of the cohorts."
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Yet another point we've been screaming for years while being ignored.
Dec 12, 2022·edited Dec 12, 2022Liked by Jennifer Brown
*It's Retinoid Toxicity probably for some, or anemia of chronic inflammation which the medical establishment seems to have forgotten about. Artemisinin really works for the post recovery fatigue. Iron chelators are needed and vitamin C.
Addition - believing patients would be a nice start. EBV-ME/CFS patients know all about LongIllness and not being believed by the medical industry. Retinoid Toxicity is likely involved.
I agree. Another thing we tend to dismiss is the effects of mold. I have learned a very painful lesson in mold exposure over this last year. As you said so well, there are so many things that can cause long term fatigue/physical symptoms, and I wonder of long covid became the catch-all bucket when it is really a subset of numerous other things that went into the wrong diagnosis bucket.
I am using Artemisinin tincture in my Navage 2x daily plus a biotoxin binder……to say it is a game changer is an understatement. I am now digging on Retinoid Toxicity…..I have not heard much about that one. Off to go learn! ❤️
Oh my gosh. How many “med spa” treatments and supplements out there are contributing to this?!?!? Do you see it more in topical use or systemic ingestion via supplements? Or is it the mix of both causing havoc?
Yes, topical or other Retinoid medications would add to the problem, but for someone with the problem, kale, carrots, peaches, tomatoes, meat, milk, etc, all add to the problem too.
Short story - liver damage or viral infection may leave ongoing retinoid activation. Alcohol does too in excess. EBV virus changes a gene to promote the Retinoic activation because it causes epithelial cell differentiation and EBV infects the mature epithelial cells. Spike may be doing a similar thing to get into endothelial cells.
Liver damage from drugs or traditional vaccines may cause "vak injury" or "akathisia".
*and - in a more recent post/the paper I am writing, I found that retinoid medication for a cancer treatment can cause side effects that look a lot like COVID19 including the crackled glass lung images. I think retinoid toxicity is involved in more illness than we realize, and is confounded by the people who are just low in vitamin A and do need more because it helps in the right amounts.
** either lack of vitamin A or excess active Retinoids can cause schizophrenia like symptoms (which would probably be diagnosed as schizophrenia and treated with harsh anti-psychotics).
"Participants were enrolled from December 11, 2020, to September 10, 2021"
As I remember that time, the Chinese had told us, from early 2020, they had not had problems with the combination of flu and covid, that there was very little flu and that they thought there would be little flu during the 2020 - 2021 flu season.
I kept track of the "no flu" reports in my area, even made checks on the cdc site which confirmed essentially "NO FLU" leading up to and during the 2020 - 2021 flu season.
I had done my, is "it" safe and effective?, due diligence, to excess, in consideration of taking the covid "vaccine" and declined. I had read the 2 studies that showed, both, for young people and for those in military service that taking the flu vaccine caused a much higher rate of subsequent infection with CORONA VIRUS. So I also declined the vaccine push to get "shot" for flu, when there was no flu. I "railed against" and watched a cdc caused "shot site" cov2 exposure risk for the "shot" person, while going to getting "shot", that then created a long duration increased risk of cov2 infection from the unneeded flu "shot. which added to the then mounting covid wave.
So ooo without reading much of another worthless "jama" published "study" ......which may actually both show long covid and reveal "vaccine" injury ....
"SARS-CoV-2 Test Positivity" meant next to nothing during that time period
"with acute symptoms suggestive of SARS-CoV-2" those that actually had covid were less "vaccinated"
"with acute symptoms suggestive of SARS-CoV-2" actually includes those "vaccinated" with modified covid spike "shot" caused "acute symptoms suggestive of SARS-CoV-2".
"722 received a positive COVID-19 result and 278 received a negative covid test result. So not all participants actually had covid. They had another upper respiratory illness that caused similar symptoms (hey there influenza!)." ?
With little to no flu reported and much symptomatic, "mild" and asymptomatic covid during this time period which was, importantly, also the time of mass injection of long replicating "spike" with its multi system injury causing long term illnesses, activation of latent viruses etc and God knows what.
This "study" showing " 39.6% of COVID-19–positive and 53.5% of COVID-19–negative patients reported residual symptoms" IS, IN TRUTH, SHOWING LONG COVID AND VACCINE INJURY.
"As Igor said very well: What the study shows is not exactly that “Long Covid does not exist.” Instead, it demonstrates that other similar illnesses, such as the flu, can also bring on undesirable long-term reductions in well-being — to an even greater share of sufferers. The article, sadly, does NOT account for the vaccination status of the cohorts."
---------
Yet another point we've been screaming for years while being ignored.
*It's Retinoid Toxicity probably for some, or anemia of chronic inflammation which the medical establishment seems to have forgotten about. Artemisinin really works for the post recovery fatigue. Iron chelators are needed and vitamin C.
Addition - believing patients would be a nice start. EBV-ME/CFS patients know all about LongIllness and not being believed by the medical industry. Retinoid Toxicity is likely involved.
I agree. Another thing we tend to dismiss is the effects of mold. I have learned a very painful lesson in mold exposure over this last year. As you said so well, there are so many things that can cause long term fatigue/physical symptoms, and I wonder of long covid became the catch-all bucket when it is really a subset of numerous other things that went into the wrong diagnosis bucket.
I have a list... :-)
I am using Artemisinin tincture in my Navage 2x daily plus a biotoxin binder……to say it is a game changer is an understatement. I am now digging on Retinoid Toxicity…..I have not heard much about that one. Off to go learn! ❤️
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK532916/ Just read this.
Oh my gosh. How many “med spa” treatments and supplements out there are contributing to this?!?!? Do you see it more in topical use or systemic ingestion via supplements? Or is it the mix of both causing havoc?
Yes, topical or other Retinoid medications would add to the problem, but for someone with the problem, kale, carrots, peaches, tomatoes, meat, milk, etc, all add to the problem too.
Short story - liver damage or viral infection may leave ongoing retinoid activation. Alcohol does too in excess. EBV virus changes a gene to promote the Retinoic activation because it causes epithelial cell differentiation and EBV infects the mature epithelial cells. Spike may be doing a similar thing to get into endothelial cells.
Liver damage from drugs or traditional vaccines may cause "vak injury" or "akathisia".
I have written extensively on it and have a draft academic paper, but it was too long. I need to make it a book. The series is on Substack. Some of it: https://denutrients.substack.com/?sort=search&search=Retinoid%20toxicity
*and - in a more recent post/the paper I am writing, I found that retinoid medication for a cancer treatment can cause side effects that look a lot like COVID19 including the crackled glass lung images. I think retinoid toxicity is involved in more illness than we realize, and is confounded by the people who are just low in vitamin A and do need more because it helps in the right amounts.
** either lack of vitamin A or excess active Retinoids can cause schizophrenia like symptoms (which would probably be diagnosed as schizophrenia and treated with harsh anti-psychotics).
Thanks to you and Igor, and lest we be ungrateful, let's shout out Igor's dog, not shoot, thanks spellhellcheclk.
So my my comment is,
...
Flubah.
All other things disappeared I'm 2020,to be replaced by Almighty Flubah, which I got in like 2021....
Lol Igor’s dog is fantastic!!
"Participants were enrolled from December 11, 2020, to September 10, 2021"
As I remember that time, the Chinese had told us, from early 2020, they had not had problems with the combination of flu and covid, that there was very little flu and that they thought there would be little flu during the 2020 - 2021 flu season.
I kept track of the "no flu" reports in my area, even made checks on the cdc site which confirmed essentially "NO FLU" leading up to and during the 2020 - 2021 flu season.
I had done my, is "it" safe and effective?, due diligence, to excess, in consideration of taking the covid "vaccine" and declined. I had read the 2 studies that showed, both, for young people and for those in military service that taking the flu vaccine caused a much higher rate of subsequent infection with CORONA VIRUS. So I also declined the vaccine push to get "shot" for flu, when there was no flu. I "railed against" and watched a cdc caused "shot site" cov2 exposure risk for the "shot" person, while going to getting "shot", that then created a long duration increased risk of cov2 infection from the unneeded flu "shot. which added to the then mounting covid wave.
So ooo without reading much of another worthless "jama" published "study" ......which may actually both show long covid and reveal "vaccine" injury ....
"SARS-CoV-2 Test Positivity" meant next to nothing during that time period
"with acute symptoms suggestive of SARS-CoV-2" those that actually had covid were less "vaccinated"
"with acute symptoms suggestive of SARS-CoV-2" actually includes those "vaccinated" with modified covid spike "shot" caused "acute symptoms suggestive of SARS-CoV-2".
"722 received a positive COVID-19 result and 278 received a negative covid test result. So not all participants actually had covid. They had another upper respiratory illness that caused similar symptoms (hey there influenza!)." ?
With little to no flu reported and much symptomatic, "mild" and asymptomatic covid during this time period which was, importantly, also the time of mass injection of long replicating "spike" with its multi system injury causing long term illnesses, activation of latent viruses etc and God knows what.
This "study" showing " 39.6% of COVID-19–positive and 53.5% of COVID-19–negative patients reported residual symptoms" IS, IN TRUTH, SHOWING LONG COVID AND VACCINE INJURY.
so it makes sense to me.
I agree. How much of the 53% were experiencing covid vax injury……..probably a lot.
Indeed. Long Jab Injury seems to be far worse than Long Covid.