I think this is going to lead to lawsuits for disparate treatment. That code is NOT A DIAGNOSIS. If they try to claim it's a diagnosis then they are discriminating and the ADA law comes into play.
I’m suing my former employer for terminating my for my refusal to get the shot. It’s out there for everyone to see, as my case has been reported in various news outlets. By terminating me due to the fact they were/are aware of my “vaccine” status, is that a HIPAA violation? They never asked for any medical information when I was hired, nor asked for any while I was working there. UNTIL it came to the Covid shot.
I am not sure if it is HIPAA violation or if it is breach of first amendment rights, but there are a lot of legal cases right now being heard for this very issue.
Related: Back in 2021 I had a mammogram done. The tech asked if I was jabbed for covid. I asked why she was asking me this. I knew the answer but I was testing her. She gave some vague answer about the radiologist wanting to know . What she did not say and Im sure most people then ( now ?) did not know was that the spike proteins generated by the body post jab were collecting in the breast tissue ( among other organs) and so the radiologist needed to know what was a discrete mass and what was inflammation due to toxins related to vax .
YES!!! I had a friend come back with an abnormal mammo, and it was 100% due to her recent covid vaccine!!! That was a big red flag that confirmed my choice to not vaccinate was a good decision, as that was the first real issue we noticed post vaccine in the immediate period. The sudden deaths had not come out in the “news” yet.
This is an important (and wonderfully-written) article! Thank you for this. Doc Brown, how do we get around this? I’m thinking of lying to my GP that I’m fully-vaxxinated now, thinking of telling her I got them from the guy who set up a fruit stand at the corner of 1st and Main and offered free vaccinations while you’re stopped at the red light. (Perhaps a little sarcasm crept in there).
Seriously, is there a solution to this problem or has my provider’s loose lips already sunk my ship, the tattle tale? This makes me furious. Is there any way to undo what I’ve already done?
Lol I love your sarcasm!!! Its my second fluent language so your reply made me smile! ❤️
You can request a copy of your diagnosis history from your provider to see if it has been coded and sent in on you. I know of a few who have said they are vaccinated to their PCP but they are not vaccinated. I think everyone has to do what they need to to protect themselves. THese codes went into implementation in early spring 2022, so that is the starting point where it may have been reported. The covid specific one is a new ICD code over this last year. I hear the fruit stand dude did a great job vaccinating people. 😎😉
So if I decide to lie and say I’m jabbed, should I claim I’m boosted too? How many? What lie will keep me safe from the government? Alternatively can I refuse to answer? Is there a code for that? Finally what does ICD stand for? If D= diagnosis, is vax status a diagnosis?
ICD stands for “internal classification of diseases”. Which makes zero sense to need an ICD code for a vaccine, as it is not a disease process.
My husband and I were talking about this the other night. I certainly cannot tell anyone to lie about their vax status but I also believe you gotta do what you gotta do to protect yourself. 😎
The same can be said to some degree about tracking who has firearms in their home. Are they locked? Etc. While the intent was to reduce the risk for accidents and evaluate the potential likelihood for self harm, that information can also be used for tracking purposes.
Thank you Jennifer. I never go to the doctor. I am un-jabbed and will always be un-jabbed. I have zero faith in 98% of doctors. Thanks for your honesty and commitment to truth. Have a great day. Peace.
We work and think alike. I have been warning patients about insurance codes and privacy for 25 years, but this goes to another level. I can imagine a doctor using the code to protect himself from scrutiny, which also has no place in coding. As we both know, "creative coding" in hospitals is a major scam as it were. One would have to wonder why any doctor would ever use a vaccinated code. For what clinical purpose does it serve? She/he can make a chart notation if that doc thinks it is relevant to the case. Otherwise it seems like a violation of patient privacy that should bring scrutiny.
The other things patients should know is that medical practices do not always list the ICD codes or even a description of the procedure performed on their bills and statements to patients. We do not always know what they billed for. The insurance companies know.
Might a provider receive reimbursement from an insurer or the government for a vax code? Maybe.
Providers should know that they participating as a condition of their licensure, with public health departments in states in which the license is in DPH. These people love tracking. At this point in the US I do not yet see any tracking vis a vis providers but that could change.
This is fantastic spot on friend. I completely agree, everyone needs to pull their records and find out what is in there. Maybe the covid vax was like pediatric vaccines and the more they gave the bigger the kickback! Gotta document one of the “nonconformists” to keep the bonus rolling in? So many nefarious possibilities. You nailed it with this post my friend.
I have strong words for inpatient psych units who diagnose everyone with Bipolar as well. 🤦🏼♀️
I have sold health insurance for a few years now. I have seen that recently, 'health' and 'life' insurance carriers are increasingly unwilling to pay claims to cover medical or funeral costs of 'clients' who've been 'vaxxed'. - Why? - They point to their long standing policy of NOT covering 'experimental treatments'; not without written exceptions on a case by case basis. They will blame the illness or death of such a client on these treatments. - THAT should tell us a LOT! I used to wonder why health insurers weren't denying the 'unvaxxed' health coverage as a way to help further coerce employees into taking the "vaccines" - but I now see that there is quite a dilemma behind that proposition. I also foresee quite a dilemma in the not too distant future if there are is the sharp increase in 'sudden death' rates that some doctors foretell; especially when more and more 'claims' are denied.
Oh my gosh I was so curious what the real world health insurance situation looked like!! Holy freaking schnikes………..I have wondered how long it will be before there’s a question on life/health applications asking if you got the covid experimental vaccine and if that will disqualify them from coverage or throw them into a higher premium bracket!! You have to keep me updated! Feel free to email me if you don’t want to share publicly as well!
Thank you for this excellent overview of the ICD codes. Whatever a person may know about this topic, they always need to refresh and deepen their knowledge, and ponder the implications. These ICD coding bytes are becoming our informational DNA, in a corporate network that we know nothing about as individuals. And another very dark subtext to this it has to do with law. One essential characteristic of common law is that a thing is permitted unless it is expressly prohibited (aka Freedom). The ICD structure is mimicking Napoleonic law, wherein a thing is prohibited unless it is expressly permitted. This is the technocratic user manual for humanity. Or should I say inhumanity.
Same in the UK - the NHS tells us 'OPCS-4 and ICD-10 are clinical classifications standards. Both are mandated nationally for use across the NHS' This is the same NHS exposed by Maajid Nawaz and others for their life ending Midazolam and Morphine protocols. The beaurocracy obscures the evil but once you have seen it then all trust is gone.
I think the unvaccinated will be useful down the line. Or……it is how the know who we are and find a way to get the vaccine in us one way or another. I don’t know what their true agenda is my friend. I worry it isn’t good.
1. Spite. Never underestimate the power of spite. The fact that we just didn't when so many others did could infuriate the ones who did. Because we are a reminder that, believe it or not, there was a choice.
2. non-mRNA blood. You make a good point, and there may be need of it, and I imagine there is a need for it from some quadrants. That and all manner of non-mRNA related fluids.
3. Dissidents. They know that in some ways we are immune to propaganda for whatever reason that is. They might want to study us and find out why. In my case, it's not related to intelligence, it's not based on level of education (as it turns out my level of education is around the perfect amount needed to believe the bs).
4. Did I mention spite? There is a lot of it going around.
Dissidents. It’s useful to any totalitarian government in the process of solidifying its hold to know who and where the free-thinkers and rebels are. I imagine “legal” raids for guns could be an early target.
So how do we know if our HC provider has included this code in our medical record? I had read about this prior to going to my PCP for an annual checkup and actually thought about cancelling the appt after I got the 'covid warning' BS email before the visit, but I went anyway. The nurse who came in first did ask me about what shots I had gotten, and then asked if I wanted the covid, shingles, pnuemonia or flu shot while I was there. I told her I was never getting another shot again. But the doc didn't say anything about any of them. Oh well, let them code me, I certainly don't make it a secret.
Do you know if it’s possible to request from my insurance company a list of all the codes that have been submitted by my doctors for claims? Can I also request this for my children? Many thanks for guidance on this!
I think this is going to lead to lawsuits for disparate treatment. That code is NOT A DIAGNOSIS. If they try to claim it's a diagnosis then they are discriminating and the ADA law comes into play.
100%. That code is completely unnecessary to be added for any visit to a provider. There is no good reason to use that code.
Same for no code foe vaxx injured
Yes! That is a biggie. Why no code for that? Fraud that is why.
I’m suing my former employer for terminating my for my refusal to get the shot. It’s out there for everyone to see, as my case has been reported in various news outlets. By terminating me due to the fact they were/are aware of my “vaccine” status, is that a HIPAA violation? They never asked for any medical information when I was hired, nor asked for any while I was working there. UNTIL it came to the Covid shot.
Good for you!!!!! If I were in your shoes, I would do the same thing.
Did they violate my rights under the HIPAA law? Is that possible?
I am not sure if it is HIPAA violation or if it is breach of first amendment rights, but there are a lot of legal cases right now being heard for this very issue.
Related: Back in 2021 I had a mammogram done. The tech asked if I was jabbed for covid. I asked why she was asking me this. I knew the answer but I was testing her. She gave some vague answer about the radiologist wanting to know . What she did not say and Im sure most people then ( now ?) did not know was that the spike proteins generated by the body post jab were collecting in the breast tissue ( among other organs) and so the radiologist needed to know what was a discrete mass and what was inflammation due to toxins related to vax .
YES!!! I had a friend come back with an abnormal mammo, and it was 100% due to her recent covid vaccine!!! That was a big red flag that confirmed my choice to not vaccinate was a good decision, as that was the first real issue we noticed post vaccine in the immediate period. The sudden deaths had not come out in the “news” yet.
This is an important (and wonderfully-written) article! Thank you for this. Doc Brown, how do we get around this? I’m thinking of lying to my GP that I’m fully-vaxxinated now, thinking of telling her I got them from the guy who set up a fruit stand at the corner of 1st and Main and offered free vaccinations while you’re stopped at the red light. (Perhaps a little sarcasm crept in there).
Seriously, is there a solution to this problem or has my provider’s loose lips already sunk my ship, the tattle tale? This makes me furious. Is there any way to undo what I’ve already done?
Lol I love your sarcasm!!! Its my second fluent language so your reply made me smile! ❤️
You can request a copy of your diagnosis history from your provider to see if it has been coded and sent in on you. I know of a few who have said they are vaccinated to their PCP but they are not vaccinated. I think everyone has to do what they need to to protect themselves. THese codes went into implementation in early spring 2022, so that is the starting point where it may have been reported. The covid specific one is a new ICD code over this last year. I hear the fruit stand dude did a great job vaccinating people. 😎😉
So if I decide to lie and say I’m jabbed, should I claim I’m boosted too? How many? What lie will keep me safe from the government? Alternatively can I refuse to answer? Is there a code for that? Finally what does ICD stand for? If D= diagnosis, is vax status a diagnosis?
ICD stands for “internal classification of diseases”. Which makes zero sense to need an ICD code for a vaccine, as it is not a disease process.
My husband and I were talking about this the other night. I certainly cannot tell anyone to lie about their vax status but I also believe you gotta do what you gotta do to protect yourself. 😎
Amen.
The same can be said to some degree about tracking who has firearms in their home. Are they locked? Etc. While the intent was to reduce the risk for accidents and evaluate the potential likelihood for self harm, that information can also be used for tracking purposes.
Yes! The abilify for them to track multiple things is awful!
Thank you Jennifer. I never go to the doctor. I am un-jabbed and will always be un-jabbed. I have zero faith in 98% of doctors. Thanks for your honesty and commitment to truth. Have a great day. Peace.
This has always been my instinct when asked about vax status. Thank you for confirming.
https://leohohmann.com/2023/01/17/exclusive-special-report-medical-profession-implements-who-digital-diagnosis-code-for-the-unvaxxed/
Leo Hohmann put a spotlight on this too last month. Since when is a vax status a diagnosis? Since the CDT says so. That's when! Atrocious!
Keep banging the gong, Jennifer. Cross-post this, people!
We work and think alike. I have been warning patients about insurance codes and privacy for 25 years, but this goes to another level. I can imagine a doctor using the code to protect himself from scrutiny, which also has no place in coding. As we both know, "creative coding" in hospitals is a major scam as it were. One would have to wonder why any doctor would ever use a vaccinated code. For what clinical purpose does it serve? She/he can make a chart notation if that doc thinks it is relevant to the case. Otherwise it seems like a violation of patient privacy that should bring scrutiny.
The other things patients should know is that medical practices do not always list the ICD codes or even a description of the procedure performed on their bills and statements to patients. We do not always know what they billed for. The insurance companies know.
Might a provider receive reimbursement from an insurer or the government for a vax code? Maybe.
Providers should know that they participating as a condition of their licensure, with public health departments in states in which the license is in DPH. These people love tracking. At this point in the US I do not yet see any tracking vis a vis providers but that could change.
I recently wrote an article advising patients to request all of their medical records from their providers. https://oldschoolcounselor.substack.com/p/demand-a-copy-of-your-medical-records.
This is fantastic spot on friend. I completely agree, everyone needs to pull their records and find out what is in there. Maybe the covid vax was like pediatric vaccines and the more they gave the bigger the kickback! Gotta document one of the “nonconformists” to keep the bonus rolling in? So many nefarious possibilities. You nailed it with this post my friend.
I have strong words for inpatient psych units who diagnose everyone with Bipolar as well. 🤦🏼♀️
I have sold health insurance for a few years now. I have seen that recently, 'health' and 'life' insurance carriers are increasingly unwilling to pay claims to cover medical or funeral costs of 'clients' who've been 'vaxxed'. - Why? - They point to their long standing policy of NOT covering 'experimental treatments'; not without written exceptions on a case by case basis. They will blame the illness or death of such a client on these treatments. - THAT should tell us a LOT! I used to wonder why health insurers weren't denying the 'unvaxxed' health coverage as a way to help further coerce employees into taking the "vaccines" - but I now see that there is quite a dilemma behind that proposition. I also foresee quite a dilemma in the not too distant future if there are is the sharp increase in 'sudden death' rates that some doctors foretell; especially when more and more 'claims' are denied.
Oh my gosh I was so curious what the real world health insurance situation looked like!! Holy freaking schnikes………..I have wondered how long it will be before there’s a question on life/health applications asking if you got the covid experimental vaccine and if that will disqualify them from coverage or throw them into a higher premium bracket!! You have to keep me updated! Feel free to email me if you don’t want to share publicly as well!
Thank you for this excellent overview of the ICD codes. Whatever a person may know about this topic, they always need to refresh and deepen their knowledge, and ponder the implications. These ICD coding bytes are becoming our informational DNA, in a corporate network that we know nothing about as individuals. And another very dark subtext to this it has to do with law. One essential characteristic of common law is that a thing is permitted unless it is expressly prohibited (aka Freedom). The ICD structure is mimicking Napoleonic law, wherein a thing is prohibited unless it is expressly permitted. This is the technocratic user manual for humanity. Or should I say inhumanity.
Same in the UK - the NHS tells us 'OPCS-4 and ICD-10 are clinical classifications standards. Both are mandated nationally for use across the NHS' This is the same NHS exposed by Maajid Nawaz and others for their life ending Midazolam and Morphine protocols. The beaurocracy obscures the evil but once you have seen it then all trust is gone.
Thank you for this post Jennifer.
These codes. Stoking the fear fire? Exposing the control ambitions? Yes to both. Their usual mo.
Please may we have a code for, Severely Infected with Common Sense? :/
Now that’s an ICD code addition I can stand behind right there!! 🙌🏻
In the wake of all the new information about the vaccine, why would they want to track us anyhow?
I think the unvaccinated will be useful down the line. Or……it is how the know who we are and find a way to get the vaccine in us one way or another. I don’t know what their true agenda is my friend. I worry it isn’t good.
I can think of a few reasons to track us.
1. Spite. Never underestimate the power of spite. The fact that we just didn't when so many others did could infuriate the ones who did. Because we are a reminder that, believe it or not, there was a choice.
2. non-mRNA blood. You make a good point, and there may be need of it, and I imagine there is a need for it from some quadrants. That and all manner of non-mRNA related fluids.
3. Dissidents. They know that in some ways we are immune to propaganda for whatever reason that is. They might want to study us and find out why. In my case, it's not related to intelligence, it's not based on level of education (as it turns out my level of education is around the perfect amount needed to believe the bs).
4. Did I mention spite? There is a lot of it going around.
Dissidents. It’s useful to any totalitarian government in the process of solidifying its hold to know who and where the free-thinkers and rebels are. I imagine “legal” raids for guns could be an early target.
So how do we know if our HC provider has included this code in our medical record? I had read about this prior to going to my PCP for an annual checkup and actually thought about cancelling the appt after I got the 'covid warning' BS email before the visit, but I went anyway. The nurse who came in first did ask me about what shots I had gotten, and then asked if I wanted the covid, shingles, pnuemonia or flu shot while I was there. I told her I was never getting another shot again. But the doc didn't say anything about any of them. Oh well, let them code me, I certainly don't make it a secret.
Do you know if it’s possible to request from my insurance company a list of all the codes that have been submitted by my doctors for claims? Can I also request this for my children? Many thanks for guidance on this!